Not since Othello have we seen backstabbing of this magnitude!
And when BabyCenter’s version of Iago comes back to say ‘hi’ everyone is all sunshine and rainbows? Well, most everyone anyway. Color us perplexed!
Who is Zen? Outwardly, she’s one of those posters that everyone loves. Funny screen name, quick, witty remarks. Fun, right?
Not so much. Remember the silly Hoffy and Ranter board war that everyone thought was so nasty and everyone was so sick of hearing about? Would you like to know how that got started? In a word: Zen.
Now we’ve discussed subgroups. We’re not getting too into this, but it’s safe to say that the Ranters have been around for quite some time. Years. There is some history there (ever tried to type paranting on BabyCenter?) but nothing too recent. Most people on BabyCenter didn’t even know they existed, until this fall.
The Hoffies are new. They got together over a goofy thread, and formed a private board.
Now remember the first rule of private boards? What happens on private boards STAYS on private boards. Except, one of the new Hoffies was a long time Ranter. Zen. And she thought it would be fun to tell the Hoffies exactly what the Ranters thought about some of their members. And how nasty and mean and even dangerous the Ranters are. (Zen’s words here, certainly not the truth.)
So can you guess, the Hoffies now became very aware of the Ranters, and didn’t like them much either. And had their own things to say about the Ranters. Zen, of course, was equally as eager to share with the Ranters everything the Hoffies had to say.
She was very liberal in providing information to both groups. Each board got a member list of the other board. They got pictures, secrets, and of course, lots of copy and paste of malicious comments.
To the Ranters, Zen played all big and bad. She told the Ranters that the Hoffies were ridiculous silly women worthy of mockery.
To the Hoffies, she played scared and vulnerable. Zen says Ranters were mean. She wanted out of their group, but was afraid to leave. Afraid of what they would do to her. But she was tired of the mean and nasty things that she saw on the board everyday, and she wanted to bring them down. But she couldn’t do it alone. She needed the Hoffies to help her.
Thus began the Friday Night Bar Thread gone bad. The Hoffies wanted to help Zen out of the ruthless Ranter gang and bring those Ranters down. The Ranters most likely just wanted the Hoffies to stop posting all their private, personal information all over a public board , so they posted private and personal info as well. None of that went well, thread was closed and deleted. Members were banned.
Yes, we have that thread. We’re not posting it. It’s personal, nasty, and frankly, we think it’s ridiculous and trite. It’s a bad example of a pack mentality (on both sides) and a shocking example of how one person can steer a group wrong.
And Zen disappeared.
Now she’s back. Do you think BabyCenter is going to let her hang out? Are the Ranters and Hoffies going to leave her alone? Who are all these random people who came out of the blue to ask about (and set up playdates?) with Zen?
Catch this thread in The Copy Shop, because it bit the dust in record time.
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Thanks for the bakground info, dramamama. I had been wondering WHAT the dealyo was with the Hoffies/Ranters and, of course, Zen. I saw that thread today and noticed it because Zen has not been posting since I’ve been hanging on the BHB.
Holly
Ah, so much for unbiased. You guys are telling on yourselves a lot today. The truth of who runs this blog (ran out of content and readers for the other blog, eh?), and that you have the ability to change my posts/post as me on Ranting… and are stupid enough to put the proof of that in the lobby of http://www.paranting.net. Thanks for proving that for me, I hate doing the hard stuff myself.
No one knew of Ranting? False. Maybe not by name, but the biggest bitches on BBC are Ranting trolls. The Rantingblog speaks volumes of who you really are and the behavior you endorse.
Yeah, the ranters wanted others to not post their information, like they do to others. Only difference is the people who did it to you have the balls to put their known names behind it, they aren’t cowards who have to post under troll.names. It’s not so fun when it’s you it’s happening to you, is it?
Speaking of personal information… like I told Julie, feel free to post anything you like about me, doesn’t matter. Some will still love me, some will hate me, I’ve never cared much about what others think of me, especially not online. Those who I care about are smart enough to know to not trust everything they read on the internet, and those I know IRL who may see it who laugh at your patheticness and probably me too, at my online “fame”. But do you guys really think it’s smart to link yourselves to such behavior… the vulgarity, the illegal activities, with so many high profile and professional careers at stake? More genius on your part, dumbasses, remember the memberlist is public somewhere out there with your email addresses, pictures, Myspace pages… I’m too lazy to ever get a real job again, much less one where anyone will bother to dig up any dirt on me, so the worst you’ve done to me is ruin my BBC rep (where’s Swoozy’s wahhhmbulance?)
Good job on your creative editing. No one noticed that you guys don’t bother to post the context of threads or your replies, or did they? I knew you guys weren’t above lying when Julie#2 told the MSN group that I posted their information for the sole purpose of breaking up a group that had been together years and been through the things we had in retaliation for what I did to her precious Ranting. (Too bad Swoozy, your lies didn’t work on everyone, maybe if had ever bothered with the group you would have known to give them more credit for intelligence).
I guess we’ll know who’s really running this blog if this doesn’t get posted in full and accurately, huh?
Mellissa
Are the Ranters and Hoffies going to leave her alone?
It’s like crabs–once they’re gone you never want to see one again.
(Not that I know this from personal experience. But I read it on the internet, so it must be true.)
Funniest post ever!!!!!
So, the only thing I really get from this whole thing is that Gretchen has crabs. Correct?
um, that post was already posted by paranting.net on another thread. so it’s available for anyone who wants to read it.
Yeah, I’ve never had crabs but I know for sure I want nothing more to do with Zen!
You can just keep right on trying to paint evil faces on the ranters, but one day you’re going to look in the mirror and discover that the real troll witch of BBC has been you, all along.
Oh, by the way, thanks for throwing everyone on the Hoffie board under the bus just so you could play with the Ranters. Really appreciate that one Melissa. I don’t know how the heck it happened, but you took a group of perfectly nice women led us down the road to being nasty board werewolves. But of COURSE, you wouldn’t do anything like that with the Ranters too. We’re supposed to believe that they were the bad guys here? Fat chance.
Hindsight is 20/20. Sure wish I’d done more than my demure “I’m bowing out because I don’t want any part of taking people down” act. Wish I could have seen you for the two faced backstabber that you are and saved my friends all the drama and trouble they got in because of you.
Zen, you are one crazy bitch who needs to spend more time cleaning your house and taking care of those kids than stalking blogs via the internet. Seriously, you need professional help. God bless.
Forget Zen, I wish the C&P had the pics that were posted originally, so everyone could see how “unbiased” & “uninvolved in drama” BCHostAngela really is.
No wonder your husband doesn’t give a flip about you….you’re batshit crazy! And this pretty much proves it.
Oh and while I’ve got the floor, a special shout out to Kim the host of the BBC Bargain Board. It’s completely obvious that you’re a member of the hoff board. Last I checked, BBC doesn’t likey their hosts to play dirty on other boards. Better watch your step and get your nose out of the hoff bums or you’ll find yourself a Plane Jane Bargain Board Bitch like the rest of us.
Peace out!
I feel so dirty reveling in all this nasty drama.
Glass houses… pot/kettle and all of that fun stuff.
Stalking blogs… writing stalker blogs
Crazy for outing you guys …. Crazy for spending your own money to have a spin-off board you can control
Crazy for ? …. being so personally involved in others’ lives that their actions affect you to the point of needing said spin-off to bitch about it, oh and a blog, maybe two
I may be crazy after all (I am back, aren’t I?), but I’m obviously not alone in that mindset.
Rebecca, yup, it’s all me and my crazy Tom Cruise scientology mind control tactics. Not much more I can offer but evidence and your own common sense, if you don’t want to put it together, not much more I can do.
We can’t blame Zen for everything that went down. Although, I am not fond of what she did, I am an adult and responsible for my own actions, as are the rest of us that were involved that dreadful night.
Ranters, hoffies, whatever. We are all human.
You’re right tater. (who are you though??? i’m really so confused with the name changes)
We’re all adults. We did what we did of our own accord. Not something to be proud of. Whether you’re a ringleader or just a lemming jumping of the cliff, wrong is wrong.
It was still dumb. And I still don’t like Zen.
—–hi, zen. nice balls. is it just me, or are they getting bigger?——
Now THAT was funny!
Everyone involved know where I stand on this issue. I’ve said my apologies to Steff, but I guess I didn’t get the opportunity to tell Zen how mad I was she (Zen) called her (Steff). Steff thought it was me who did the calling and MySpace messaging or, at the very least, put someone up to it. I think Steff gets it now that the only thing I had to do with it is start the fishing thread (okay, and partake of “I don’t like Steff” threads on the Hoff board .. and maybe infultrate the Lion’s board, though I never posted) I felt set up. Heck, I still do. But I’ve learned from it.
Zen, it was a shitty thing to do, but now that I’ve let you know, I’m over it. Hell, it was months ago and I don’t hold grudges very well.
i don’t think kim is a member of the hoff board or at least she wasn’t when i was a member. but that’s been a few months
as for the zen thing, that was 4 months ago. the entire “war” was ridiculous and looking back i wish i had just kept my mouth shut. as many say, what is said on private boards should stay there but i was pissed that these women were making fun of me and calling me nasty names. some people love to hate me and i think it’s kind of funny. at first my feelings were hurt and now i just laugh. it’s just a message board.
zen wanted to go out with a bang and that she did. i don’t harbor any ill feelings towards her. hell, i’m guilty of reading the ranting blog daily. my life is void of drama which is a good thing so i love to read about it here or on the bb.
the bargain board makes me laugh and i’ve met some pretty awesome people on there.
okay, the real housewives reunion is on…got to jet. live and let live.
Charilie, I’m a ranter who hasn’t chimed in on any of this before now, and I know you don’t have to believe me, but I can’t remember that you even registered a passing comment before the “war”. (I missed that, I’m not generally online nights or weekends.) Maybe there was a thread that was commented on that you were involved in & someone said you liked the attention, but there was certainly never a thread on that board devoted to you. Your spelling & grammar are not awful, you don’t make any glaring parenting mistakes, you never said anything that made anyone on that board feel like their head was going to explode. Anyway, I don’t have the faintest clue what Zen “c&ped” to you guys, but it’s entirely possible she “edited” it to say what she wanted it to say to start all this.
I always wondered exactly what went on (I knew bits and pieces). Whethere this is “biased” or not, at least I know now! And I still miss Baked Beans and her dead donut!
We really should lay off Zen. Being mentally touched is really nothing to poke fun at. I’m sorry I called her a crazy bitch. It’s not funny to poke fun at the mentally disabled.
does Zen really live in SC?
Give me a freakin’ break Elyse. I was just having fun along with a lot of other people and was trying to keep the thread from going south. It wasn’t deleted because it went south, but for different reasons. However, I don’t have to explain every move that is made to you. Just because we are hosts doesn’t mean we are to stay on the side lines and can’t step inside the circle. Get over yourself. And just so you know, Kim is not a member of any aforementioned group.
Woo hoo- this is some good stuff.
Ah, smart move, using your own antics against me.
You’re hypocrites. You’re so pissed at me that you started a public blog to harrass me, and for what? Doing to the same thing to you guys that you’ve done many times to others, that I’ve done to others for you- posting information to one group about another. Remember encouraging me to sign up on MTMT, then begging for copy/pastes? (Sorry John Q Public, they really are a very boring Recipe Swap and Bus Stop Chatter group, I can attest to that). Then using a certain DCPs privately posted information against her on BBC and laughing about turning her into the licensing board because of this information. Remember Ally, what group is it she trolled for so long to and copy/pasted their posts to you guys? Was it the group before MTMT? You guys don’t post pictures of others? Like Gretchen’s? I may have been the genius to figure out the Yahoo email password, but (and I may be wrong here but I’m 99% confident), I wasn’t the one who figured out the first password, and I wasn’t the only one reading and I wasn’t the one to make copies that are now in Ranting’s archive, and I wasn’t the one who wanted to use the SS# to look up information to turn the victim in for the fraud you guys are convinced she’s committing. BTW, huge props to Jolinar for standing up for the right thing on that, that’s very admirable. Wow, no, you guys wouldn’t post someone’s pictures and email addresses on a public board, you’re too good for that, you guys get off on trying to ruin people’s lives, careers, and family.
To the commenter who has never seen this stuff, maybe you haven’t been made aware of the private Ranting board, Troll Land, you know, “The Bitchiest Place On Earth”. That’s where my copies mostly came from. Only the best Ranting trolls and the ones the mods can really trust can get in there (ha).
What happened to that information is beyond my control. You’re blaming the wrong people, it’s very unfair to blame a group as a whole for the actions of a few, just as I was careful to not share information of anyone innocent from Ranting and tried to make clear that Ranting as a whole isn’t evil, generally it’s like any other snarky spinoff with some great people, and everyone shouldn’t be targeted because a few of you (re: Troll Land posters) are really way too deep in this internet bullying crap. You can play the innocent victim who only acted against me in retaliation, but nope, I only did what I learned from the best. Now you’re pissed off that I did the same thing TO you that I once did FOR you, and someone used that information against you in a not too dissimilar but much less harmful way than you have others… you’re pissed that you got OWNED.
No need to leave the crazy Zen alone (actions speak louder than words you know), unlike you guys I can take it. Besides, I’m rather enjoying you guys proving your character (and hypocrisy, my word of the day) with every comment and every blog post.
I can deal with the grammer-rammers, oblivious parents, welfare queens and the like, but hypocrites who can’t play their own game, who can’t take what they can dish, that I can’t stand. I may be a lot of things, but hypocrite and victim (I am quite guilty of many things and I own what I have done) aren’t on the list.
PS- A little bit of technology trivia, it’s not possible for Heather to *not* be able to see your IPs on the Anon forum, like she promised. Think about it, if it’s a code she can take out, she can put it back in. You’re a Ranter b/c supposedly you have some common sense, use it.
FYI- My Myspace has always been private, you can see it when you’re on my friends list but can’t when you’re removed. I can’t believe no one figured out that bit of obviousness before you posted it publicly lol.
Sam- yes, I did message Planegirl (and thanks for the massive props I got for that on Ranting, yah, I know, the Hoffs are such goody-goodies for being mad at me for that, that would have only been the beginning for Ranting like was agreed, right), but no, I didn’t call her.
I’m done with this, I’m getting to old for the drama. To quote Charlie, live and let live, and if you want your lives to revolve around me, then go for it, you won’t get the pleasure from me anymore.
Mellissa (From SC, Marion actually)
Danjuhruz Ranterz – I have never been a part of any spinoff board and who in their right mind would invite the fox into the hen house? Forget I said that….some of you are a little whacked or we wouldn’t still be hashing this crap out months later.
Accusing me of being a member of one of those groups will not get me to say who told me of the planned ambush. The only reason I mentioned it to begin with is because I wanted you all to know that someone on your own boards were ratting you out. DUH! How could you do stuff that is so hateful and have every be on board 100%?
Can we just say how tickled we are that our two favorite hosts read and comment our blog? Having you two stop by has made our week! Now please don’t engage in any undercover BabyCenter sting operations to take us down, okay?
Oh, not on your life. I love drama as much the next person. Contrary to popular belief, we are often left out of the loop too and don’t have a clue who’s banned or not banned. I won’t drag down your board with the boring details but it’s the truth.
Hey asshat. I don’t do the coding for the board anymore, remember. One more piece of your misinformation. But you are right about one thing: time to leave “crazy zen” alone. Because you’re not worth it and I really think you are crazy.
Way to “take the high road” as you had said you were.
Btw people, notice it took Zen almost 2 years to get on her moral highground? She joined us in Feb 06 and had no issues with what we were in that time. She bashed all the BB gals as much as anyone else.
Get some help Zen, it’s just the internet.
Angela, call it what you will, but you practically accused the OP of being Zen &/or a troll, instead of doing the common sense thing & searching her s/n. Then by post 73 you were posting that vulgar big balls pic, which even though it doesn’t show up here, translates as Big Balls Photobucket on the screen shot, if anyone cares to take a look. I just think that if you want to post under your Host screen name you should do so with something like dignity & sense. If you want to goof around, use your regular user account, I’ve seen plenty of other hosts do it.
Dignity and sense? Since when does the Bargain Board involve any dignity and sense? It has been absolute chaos lately.
The bb would be no fun if it was full of dignity and sense. I prefer snarky bitches who like to have fun. Lord knows I’ve been a target for quite some time and a very wise person once told me to either embrace it and have fun or ignore it.
*If* I ever start a blog it’s going to be called “The Daily Snark”.
Hey now, lets be clear, I didn’t say the whole board should act with dignity & sense, just the hosts, while using their host accounts! Maybe that’s part of the reason why it has been such absolute chaos lately?
**Tickle tickle** Oh, we love the board and glad we have tickled ya!
Sweetie, I think you are confusing threads. I questioned who grin&nod was as I didn’t recall her SN. I never accused her of being Zen. The “vulgar balls pic” was on the Zen thread in reference to several posters telling Zen she had big balls and I actually thought it was quite funny. I can get the pic for mamadrama if they would like it, it came from photobucket. The other pics were of the love fest (because Zen and someone else was carrying on a conversation – like a love fest) and then there was the one of Deep Shit Cattle Ranch, because someone talking about needing boots because the shit was getting deep. Honey, if those pics were vulgar to you, I don’t understand what you are doing on the board. I have seen a lot worse stuff than what I have posted. Did you forget your big girl panties that day?
As for the host name, when posting on the board I am a host on, I use the host name. If I post on another board where I am not a host, I do not use the host name. Clear????? I can still goof off in my host name. There are no rules to the contrary. I do have dignity and sense along with cents, but I use save that for my real life. K?
**tickle tickle**
That’s right, blame it on the hosts. Why not? It’s OK, my shoulders can withstand the load.
Angela, click on the Copy Shop link for this post. Please?
And BTW, I meant vulgar by the Babycenter standards, not necessarily my own. It is still billed as a Family oriented site, right?
It anyone has an issue with a host that they feel needs to be addressed I think you should notify Community. Let me make it easy for you….Community@babycenter.com. I think instead of bemoaning the issue you should take some action. I feel sure that Community is aware of this issue and many others and as sense and sensibility would have it, they choose to pick their battles.
No need to beg really. OK,, my mistake – same thread, but I still didn’t accuse her of being Zen or a troll. Maybe you need to go back and read it again. I still think it was funny (pics) and I know others did too.
You forgot dignity Kim
This has cleared up alot for me. Thanks MamaDrama!!!!
You beyotches got TWO hosts to come out and play. That’s almost respectable. ALMOST.
Wow, this is a whole new level of crazy, even for Zen. Good luck to you; I’m pretty sure you’re going to need it.
God, people are you really listening to yourselves??? Do any of you having friends IRL?? Seriously, I question how you can have lives outside of this cyber schoolyard you are all playing in. Ranters, Hoffie, GAG! Step back and really look at what you ALL did. Then get up[, get out from behind the computers and join a club. Join a gym or the PTA – vounteer for something but please recognize that you are ALL turning into asshats (for lack of a better term) and save yourselves before your kids grow up to read what you do online. Its the INTERNET people – try the real world sometime, you may just like it!
Oh! and Charlie – we get it, people are after you, you are so targeted, people love to hate you. Ever stop and wonder why??? BECAUSE EVERY GODDAMN POST IS NOT ABOUT YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take a mind sculpting class along with a body sculpting class once in a while. For chrissakes.
Word.
Thanks stupid
LMFAO Kim! The Fox in the Henhouse…that’s rich. Stay outta the drama sista, it’s gonna get you removed as host. Let’s just say I know people.
Zen, I miss your crazy ass mind. Did DH blow this weeks grocery money on video games or are you that much closer to your island?
hey stupid – go fuck your ugly self and get off the board.
That’s a pretty big statement. Truth be told, if you really had as much as you think you do you would have done something about it already instead of coming here to talk big.
Stupid reminds me of someone…
Do tell??? Are the girls all huddled in the bathroom during algebra trying to figure out who dared call a duck a duck?
Yes dipshit, we are all huddled in the restroom trying to find out your secret identity. Life is too short to be jealous darlin. Run along and hit the gym. A sculpting class might do you good
Hey Stupid…Why don’t you try taking your own advice. You seem to be on here eating all the drama up yourself! Okay, I have to run off to Algebra now jackass!
CHARLIE, CHARLIE, CHARLIE!!!